i didn’t know there were 400k vegans on this site?
You don’t have to be a vegan to be against animal cruelty
It does help.
Helps your ego. Being vegan doesn’t help animals it just means you don’t do anything useful with the animals that die for you.
Correction: Being vegan means you don’t support companies that murder animals for profit. Also, your usage of “died for you” is sort of odd; “died for ___” usually implies a willing death for something loved. I don’t think that being murdered so that someone can eat you really fits there.
(Also, meat industry = animal cruelty. You should at least be vegetarian before claiming you’re against animal cruelty.)
You probably drink soy milk or eat tofu. Those “vegan” companies sell the by-products of tofu manufacturing to companies that feed cattle, so by eating tofu you are supporting companies that “murder” animals for profit.
Do you use utensils when you eat? Do you know that the mining industry kills animals? Those animals died for you.
If you eat vegetables or wear clothes, live in a city, drive a car, take public transit, then yes, animals die for you.
Do you drink water? If you do, animals die for you.
Do you own a pet? Does this pet eat food? Yes? Then animals die for you. If you’re one of these vegans who forces their carnivorous pet to be vegan, then you are slowly killing your pet, for you.
Your assumption that “died for ____” means willingly giving up your life for something just tells me you watch too many disney movies.
1) Assuming you’re correct, that’s still not really supporting it at all; they get far less out of that than they do out of my directly buying their animal flesh. As a crude example, let’s say I get a block of tofu for $1.00. This one block’s “extras” make up a single meal for a”meat” cow (I bet it would be less than that, but it’s a crude example.) $0.05 is spent on that meal. If a cow eats two meals a day and is killed at two years, that’s 1,460 meals in a lifetime, or $73 if the price of the cow’s meals never varies. Let’s say the cow’s flesh is sold for thrice that, or $219. So, if we’re blaming me for that $0.05 worth of food getting to the cow, it’s now tripled. I’ve resulted in a profit of $0.10 for that company, or 0.0456621005% of the cow’s total price. If I had gone out and purchased a piece of the cow’s flesh for $20, that would be 9.13242009% of the cow’s total price. So, that’s ~0.06% versus ~9%. Also, care to explain why you put quotation marks around the word “murder”?
2) They do indirectly, yes. But let me ask you this: How many times in one’s life does one buy utensils? Unlike carnism, it isn’t quite a constant funding of animals’ inescapable murder and lifetime imprisonment.
3) I assume this is another inclusion of your “they knock down animals’ environments to grow vegan stuff!!!1!” thing. Do you think that slaughterhouses magically appear in clouds of rainbows and sunshine or something?
5) Oh, gosh, those types of vegans are horrible. I pay for no animals’ food. I’d just get a totally herbivorous pet if I ever felt the need to buy an animal, though.
6) It’s just generally an implication that phrase holds.
1) Yes it is. Organic tofu enables dead cows. You can play with numbers all day it makes no difference to the “murdered” cows. I put the word “murder” in quotes because cows and humans are not the same thing. Try telling the mother of a murdered child that cat food is equivalent, I dare you.
2) Utensils are just an example. I’m trying to get you to look at the bigger picture. Vegans supremacists think that not eating or wearing animals absolves them from all the dead animals that result from their other actions, like driving a car or living in a city or eating vegetables.
3) That’s not the point. Yes slaughterhouses are also built on land that was once wildlife habitat, the same as vegetable farms. Dead animals are dead animals. Some dead animals are vegan? Stop calling dead animals vegan.
4) lol? Dead fish and micro fauna are funny? Why is it that cattle are “murdered” but killing aquatic life is hilarious?
5) You pay for no animal’s food? That’s kinda cruel. You could at least donate to your local shelter or something.
6) What’s general implication of “murder” in the real world?